The OFFICIAL Debate Thread

[jessica]

[Dan Gheesling]

lol You crack me up. XD

[Angie]

i agree that she was outcasted and all, but to be honest dan... if it were between you and david... then i would totally agree with you guys, but it's not.
this is what daniele said:
"No, my social gameplay did not need work. It's part of the reason I'm here and your in the Jury House. I was good socially with David, Dan, Jun and to a degree Jen, Angie, and Scott. I also talked to Brian on occasion. I nominated you because I hadn't talked to you. Maybe you mean my social gameplay with you needed some work."

um, no. her social game did need work. i spoke to her one time the first week and off and on throughout the game so if it was "to a degree" with jen, scott and myself, then it had to have been to a very tiny degree because i dont consider that being social AT ALL. i spoke to most other people more than i did her and this was one of the biggest factors to wanting her out as badly as i did.
and dan, u know how stressed i was when she won her first hoh lol. i wasnt acting. i really thought i was going to be nominated and the reason i thought that was because had i won hoh, she would have been nominated.

it's true. she was the underdog because of the silly alliance of 7, but not really.... to be honest, that alliance of 7 started falling apart the moment it was made. most of us were not looking out for the 7. for one, in the beginning, i considered jun and brian my biggest threats because i never spoke to them. secondly, i never would have put so many people above dan, or jessie.
daniele, was somewhere in the middle.
so really, it may have seemed like the odds were so shitty against her, but in all honesty, everyone was doing their own thing and she was in no worse spot than anybody else in the 7.

[Scott Long]

Dan, bitter juror is what I do best, haha

Personally, I have to agree with Angie in that Daniele was social mostly w/her allies. Yeah, I talked to her, but never about the game. I talked to Dan and Angie the most and I was against Dan so I don't know how I feel about what she said... plus, saying that you did something perfect makes you seem cocky.

I do agree that David played a good game, but I think that he could have played a better one. I think he went out of his way to lie a bit and would never say anything to you if you confronted him and that was irritating. The "nice guy" bit worked for him, but he did a lot of unnecessary backstabbing, in my opinion.

[Libra Thompson]

Nov 13, 2008 23:25:17 GMT -5 Angie said:

this is what daniele said:
"No, my social gameplay did not need work. It's part of the reason I'm here and your in the Jury House. I was good socially with David, Dan, Jun and to a degree Jen, Angie, and Scott. I also talked to Brian on occasion. I nominated you because I hadn't talked to you. Maybe you mean my social gameplay with you needed some

When she said that, I finalized my vote.

[Dan Gheesling]

I think you guys need not vote bitter first of all. Let me just say that.

But aside from that all, Daniele didn't make relationships and backstab
whereas David made them and stabbed them in the back.


Daniele was antisocial and wouldn't talk to anyone BUT her alliance and that's a horrible field to play
David was social with everyone, and made friendships amazingly.



tbh, they both have faults in their game play. Aaand I wanna hear more Qs


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[Angie]

k so... i really dont know what to ask daniele.
i have a bunch of questions for david because i just want to know about certain things, but i have NONE for daniele. this is driving me insane.
all of your questions were really good and u all basically asked everything that needs to be asked... so im just basing the JQ on questions i want answered. i will base my decision on their answers to all of your questions.

[Angie]

ok so i finally came up with a question. i was just always wondering about that, haha.

[Dan Gheesling]

They just answered my question and Daniele pointed a very good point.


Daniele was here to play a game NOT to make friends whereas David was here for the TOTAL opposite thing, which he stated in him answer to me. That makes me think a lot, and even though I am close with Daniele and I'm not just saying this; I gotta reward the game to someone who was here to play it. Not who was my best friend, not who was the funniest, who was the best, and I'm not saying David was a worse player in ANY sense at all. I just think Daniele's reasons were more valid.

imo ofc

[Angie]

i don't see it that way at all. i think that both reasons to play this game are very valid. My reason for joining was to have fun and my goal was to make jury and then some. I don't think you need to win the game in order to make this experience fun or worth it, for that matter.

[Scott Long]

I agree with Angie, both points are valid. I'm sure we wall wanted to win, but I know that wasn't actually my goal. My goal was to make All Stars, so idk if what Daniele said is such an amazing point in my eyes.

And as for being bitter, Big Brother is a game about relationships. Knowing that people could get bitter, you have to take that into account when you vote to evict them. I believe that Daniele did a better job of this.

You were right about something though Dan. David definitely made alliances only to backstab...

[Libra Thompson]

I mean Dan its obvious that you want us all to vote for your girl Daniele and whoever doesn't do it its because we're "bitter" players, but seriously Daniele saying she played a great social game? We all talked here about how LITTLE she talked to people (well, outside her alliance), yet she says she played an excellent social game? And the way she's answering questions in a very cocky and arrogant tone, doesn't really win her my vote.

[Dan Gheesling]

Nov 14, 2008 1:28:38 GMT -5 Libra Thompson said:

I mean Dan its obvious that you want us all to vote for your girl Daniele and whoever doesn't do it its because we're "bitter" players, but seriously Daniele saying she played a great social game? We all talked here about how LITTLE she talked to people (well, outside her alliance), yet she says she played an excellent social game? And the way she's answering questions in a very cocky and arrogant tone, doesn't really win her my vote.

First of all, I don't want you guys to vote on who didn't hurt your feelings, I mean wtf is that? I'm gonna vote for Daniele because we had long talks about movies and going to dinner and having a BLAST in the BB house!

That's a WRONG reason to vote. We're here as JURORS to JUDGE their game play, and you're gonna be a bitter judge, then please cast your vote now and gtfo. I'm not being biased towards Daniele, and who the hell are you? You have no idea who I want to win, so if I were you Libra, I'd keep my mouth shut (:

[Dan Gheesling]

And to Angie and Scott:


Uhhh... if you're not here to play to win, what's the point in playing? Obviously, I'm a delusional idiot and I don't understand. lol To make friends? I mean if this was the REAL big brother house would you be on the block with your best friend, and you use the veto on THEM?

Playing for friends < playing to win.

[Scott Long]

Well, this isn't the real Big Brother house Dan. Even though KC is a great host, there will be a million other ORGs that we all can play, so you can't blame us for wanting to have a good time and our main goal not being winning the game. Sometimes, you have more fun along the way, just meeting people and whatnot. Even though we were on opposite sides, I loved talking to you about stuff and it's those kinds of things that bring me to ORGs.

And frankly, who are you to decide how we base our votes? You control your votes, we control ours. If we want to be bitter, we can be bitter, so you can stfu.